Noted

[yendi]

Via yuki_onna on Twitter, the idiotic column by Sarah Hoyt at Tor is, indeed, precedented.

That should, in theory, shut up the concern troll (user "rk3001," who appears to have created an account just to leave one comment) on the Tor thread who shouts, "hey, she never said feminists, so there!"

Comments

[samhenderson.livejournal.com]

Wow. What an extraordinarily badly written column.

[lokilokust.livejournal.com]

which, really, is sort of fitting, no?

[nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com]

ANOTHER ENEMY OF HUMAN REASON, I SEE!

[yendi]

Yup. She went from "writer I've never heard of, but she's on Tor.com, so I'm curious" to "writer I don't need to bother with" faster than I can say Jack Robinson.

[samhenderson.livejournal.com]

Sorry, I can't hear you over the shrieking of the real-woman hating feminists at the pretend Heinlein panel in the SF convention of my brain.

[rosefox]

It was this comment that had me actually gaping at the screen:

OTOH I'd submit that even the most slurpingly sexual Heinlein work (well, read by this guy I heard, at least) is not a patch on the hard-core male objectification in a lot (NOT all) of the current Urban Fantasies (which have made my friend Kate Paulk nickname the authors 'undead pornettes'). I read those "oh, hot, baby, hot vampire" stories when I was younger, but my boys are teens now and my reaction is "EW". I hate the idea of any woman seeing them as pieces of meat and nothing else. (They, being male, might not mind, though.)

I... the... what?

[samhenderson.livejournal.com]

Hey, I loved The Starbeast!

[lurkerwithout.livejournal.com]

Hrrm. Weird sex in "The Cat Who Walks Thru Walls" vs. "Cerulean Sins" the last LKH book I read. Kind of a toss up I guess...

[ex-gnomicut.livejournal.com]

I admit I am filled with fairly uncontrollable rage by apologists for Heinlein's women, mostly because my adolescent years were made substantially worse by the fact that all of my male friends had internalized Heinlein's attitude towards women (women are best when they are gorgeous, brilliant, and satellites for smarter men).

[yendi]

That was actually my first Heinlein!

[cissa.livejournal.com]

Yes, this.

Heinlein's women are NOYT reasonable approaches to which to aspire for young women, even though- as he writes them- they're really HAPPY being Playmates to his Hefner.