Hey [livejournal.com profile] dtaylor

Jul. 9th, 2004 09:10 am
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(and anyone else who enjoyed her post on casual sexism)

Check out this article (gleaned from [livejournal.com profile] lizlet's non-LJ blog).

The really frustrating thing (aside from the assumption that women don't like Philip K. Dick or know what Cyberpunk is) is that this crap begins by referring to Anne Fadiman's Ex Libris, one of my all-time favorite books about books (and something that belongs in everyone's library).
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Date: 2004-07-09 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onceupon.livejournal.com
Ew.

I feel dirty and not in a good way.

Rarely am I moved to respond to such articles but at the moment I really want to write this person and explain in no uncertain terms that there ARE women who like Philip K. Dick and know what cyberpunk is (and enjoy it) AND in addition to that -- because there's always something in addition, right? -- there is no time like vacation time to tackle that 600+ pager. In fact, I'm more likely than my boyfriend to haul along a book that clocks in at eight or nine hundred pages.

Grrrrrrr.

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Date: 2004-07-09 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fmh.livejournal.com
Hmm. [livejournal.com profile] dtaylor makes a very rational arguement.
Wonder if she'd mind if I added her, I need all the enlightened view I can get.

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Date: 2004-07-09 07:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cissa.livejournal.com
Very casually sexist. I'm the cyberpunk reader in the family, and got J reading it a bit. I like Philip K. Dick, too, and J's definitely read some "girly" books- or books that author would probably consider girly, anyway- right now he's reading Bujold's "A Civil Campaign" at my urging, and enjoying it a lot.

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Date: 2004-07-09 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadesong.livejournal.com
Do not allow him to take any books that are more than 600 pages long.

[livejournal.com profile] volta brought 1,000+ page GRRM: A Retrospective with him on our vacation. I read it when he was in the shower.

No girlish whimsy. You will never get him to open Georgette Heyer, so play fair and leave Regency Buck and The Grand Sophy at home.

You will never get ME to read such drivel.

The same goes for detective novels.

Chicks read detective novels? You're the only person I know who reads detective novels.

anything by Paul Auster; sci-fi by Philip K Dick; anything involving Nearly Falling Off a Mountain; all 'cyber-punk' (whatever that is); Titus Groan; business books.

*SCREAM*

Fucking defective article-author, I swear to god. Dick? I love Dick, and I'm not just saying that because it makes me giggle. Cyberpunk? Learn what it is before panning it, bitch. I write cyberpunk, for godssakes.

Then again, if he wants to pack any of the above, ditch him and go away with a Carol Shields-loving girlfriend instead.

*sputter*

But men like their books to be virginal and pristine.

Oh, and of course we silly girls don't mind, because we don't care about books, do we? *insipid giggle*

*SCREAM*

It's morons like this that give female bibliophiles a bad name, I swear. I mean, hello? I'm the golden-age sci-fi geek in the house. I'm the one who writes the stuff. I'm the one with the Dick (heh) and the Sturgeon and the Shirley and Sterling and Dangerous Visions (two copies!) and Again, Dangerous Visions and and and...

She is fucking uneducated and does not deserve to get paid for writing this misogynistic SHIT.

In closing...

Image

This is what girls read, bitch. And see the bookcase behind me? That's my to-read shelf. And yeah, there's at least one cyberpunk book there. And my copy of GRRM And and... AAAGH!

*pant* *pant*

And stop listening to "Funkytown", [livejournal.com profile] yendi, it'll rot your brain.

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Date: 2004-07-09 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talix18.livejournal.com
That's what I need! A "To Read" bookcase!

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Date: 2004-07-09 07:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haikujaguar.livejournal.com
Me too. Mine are in a stack leaning against the fireplace. A perilously tall stack. Not to mention that putting them anywhere near the fireplace (even if separated by a concrete structure) is probably a bad idea for someone with fire disaffinities. :P

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Date: 2004-07-09 07:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ydnic.livejournal.com
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh. I think this article was even more disheartening than the one I came across this morning asserting that (essentially) "people aren't reading any more."

As I can do nothing but sputter in reply to this I think I'll just head off merrily this weekend with my bag, which is currently filled with journaling materials AND a Philip K. Dick omnibus edition AND Jennifer Government...and maybe a detective novel. ;-)

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Date: 2004-07-09 07:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ydnic.livejournal.com
I have one; it was the best $29.95 I ever spent!

Hrm.

Date: 2004-07-09 08:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avivasedai.livejournal.com
Yeah, I definitely had a "well fuck you!" response to some of that article. No excessive chortling or disgruntled moaning? Fuck you, buddy, I'll make whatever exclamations I want and then give half-intelligible responses to their raised eyebrow of 'what's that about'. If my vacation-buddy can't recover from such a minor interruption then don't read sitting next to me!

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Date: 2004-07-09 08:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onceupon.livejournal.com
She's arrogant. Thinks she can speak for all women, or at least a majority of them.

The really sad thing is that she's kind of right. But what she doesn't realize is that she's perpetuating the cultural construction that makes her right in the first place!

Gah!

I kind of wonder if I SHOULD write to her.... If there would be any kind of response....

GRRM

Date: 2004-07-09 08:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shellefly.livejournal.com
Yeah baby, YEAH! :)

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Date: 2004-07-09 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadesong.livejournal.com
I used to have perilously tall stacks. When me moved to this house, we started using only five-shelf bookcases for the fiction, so [livejournal.com profile] yendi and I are using the wee ones in our offices.

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Date: 2004-07-09 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadesong.livejournal.com
Jennifer Government was quite cool.

Re: GRRM

Date: 2004-07-09 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadesong.livejournal.com
*giggle*

My men and I have similar tastes. It rocks.

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Date: 2004-07-09 08:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] snippy
Consider her audience. She's writing fluff for fluffy women who think it's more important to share packing space (why, so there's more room for their clothes?) than have a real relationship that allows for separate, serious interests (and let's leave completely aside the idea that all the two of them are going to do is lie side by side on beach chairs, reading).

She's obviously not writing about me: I've read cyber punk (although it's not my favorite part of science fiction) and Titus Groan (likewise but fantasy), and I enjoy biographies and books about history. On the other hand, Heyer's The Grand Sophy is a marvelously well-written romance; Jo Walton (a marvelously good sf&f writer herself) reads and recommends Heyer. But I also read Tom Clancy novels for pleasure. And my husband loves vampire novels.

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Date: 2004-07-09 08:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dindin.livejournal.com
Moron. My bookshelf is filled with Phillip K. Dick, Isaac Asimov...you name it. What isn't in my bookcase? A single "girly" book, romance novel, Judith Krants or whomever.

Books

Date: 2004-07-09 08:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shellefly.livejournal.com
Okay, anything that assumes that "all men" this or "all women" that is by its very nature silly ... unless the topic in question is something like breathing or defecation.

I have so many objections to that article it's hard to pick one, but here it is: Why not just pack all the books and take books that you enjoy instead of trying to compromise and read books you're not as excited about? Does togetherness have to extend to fiction? I mean, if I had to read what my husband reads, I'd be reading all comics and RPG manuals (with some notable exceptions like GRRM). Frankly, if you're going to pack lightly for a vacation, take paperbacks! Or just take less of something else and keep the books. :)

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Date: 2004-07-09 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tamnonlinear.livejournal.com
More room for unguents* and shoes? Shiva juggling kittens!

For me, vacation = 1 pair of sandals.

*I am so very much not not looking up this word. I assume she means the bottles of skin peelers and restorers and enhancing and reducing creams. Because that's so much more important than reading what you like.

Right, I'm going to go reread some Stephenson. Or maybe some Gibson. Or anything else I damned well feel like reading, because I can assure you that good writing will not fry my poor little feminine brain nearly as badly as reading that piece of shit advice will.



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Date: 2004-07-09 08:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyssrose.livejournal.com
Books are heavy, so it's wise to try to shrink your beach library by taking volumes you're both longing to read. That way, you end up carrying three books each, rather than six (which means, in my case, more room for unguents and shoes).

It seems her entire reason for even writing this piece is because she thinks books are heavy. Sure, books are heavy, but so the fuck what?! They're certainly no heavier than several pairs of shoes, and I would much rather have a suitcase full of books and one pair of shoes on my feet, then tons of shoes and no books. *rolling eyes*

IMHO, someone who's concerned more about the weight of the books than their actual content is not someone who I'm inclined to take advice from.

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Date: 2004-07-09 08:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metaphorge.livejournal.com
Wow... just... wow.

And we wonder how Bush gets so many votes... oh wait... she's British.

*boggle*

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Date: 2004-07-09 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metaphorge.livejournal.com
I think that my new standard for whether I can think about dating conversing with anyone is whether they want to strangle the pratt who wrote this article.

I looked it up....

Date: 2004-07-09 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyssrose.livejournal.com
...and unguents are ointments and lotions, so your guess was pretty much spot on. :)

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Date: 2004-07-09 08:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metaphorge.livejournal.com
Also, this needs to be an icon with the text "This is what girls read, bitch."

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Date: 2004-07-09 08:51 am (UTC)
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