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Date: 2004-01-27 09:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dwivian
Having had to petition a dean for redress after a teacher harshly graded my work which was correct and valid to the course but not keeping with his politics, I think the bill in Colorado has some strong merit. Inappropriately introducing controversy into a class, and grading accordingly, violates academic integrity. What is sad is that Colorado thinks that college professors are really really really really really idiotic and unable to maintain professionalism. Too bad that a few problem instructors color the whole profession so badly.

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Date: 2004-01-27 09:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clawfoot.livejournal.com
Yay! Ginger Snaps 2!! :)

Ginger Snaps is still my pick for "Best Werewolf Film Ever." :)

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Date: 2004-01-27 09:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] voltbang.livejournal.com
I'm with you. Having sat through a "history" class that turned into an anti-abortion pep rally more than once, I'd prefer to have some recourse in those situations. I did fine in the class, but I kept my mouth shut and thought about my D&D game, others weren't so restrained, and didn't seem likely to get all the academic credit they deserved at the end of the semester. The bill does shine a bad light on university professors, but it's probably not undeserved. There's good ones out there, but it only takes a very few to ruin a lot of college experiences.

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Date: 2004-01-27 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gythiawulfie.livejournal.com
It is sad that any legislature has to do this.. but I have had 4 separate teachers pull stunts that cause the issues to come up. I also filed formal charges. I didn't care if they were tenured or not.

I had a poly-sci teacher try to convince my I was ultra liberal... ummmm anyone who knows me knows that I am a moderate conservative, but he insisted that ALL musicians were ultra liberal. So when I turned in a paper based on my viewpoint, he gave me an F... dropped class filed charges. (He was fired 2 years later, hmmm wonder how many kids he did that too.)

That was just one example, but ya know... if a teacher asks you for your opinion, you should be allowed to give your opinion ESPECIALLY if you can back it up with documentation.

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Date: 2004-01-27 10:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dwivian
My point, exactly. Sad that it takes legislation to make professors professional.

Not only from the liberal slant, either -- I had a history professor that was a STRONG conservative, and had he chosen to enforce his views on the class, it would have sucked. He was pretty good, but I know it was because he was watched closely, as colleges don't like the right-wingers too much....

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Date: 2004-01-27 12:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dwivian
The law is needed because I was the ONLY one that took it to the dean. Other people said there was no point, and that a tenured prof isn't going to get any heat....

....I'm just contrary enough to push the system. It took six months, which was about three times longer than it should have taken, to get my grades corrected. Dunno how many others were inflated or reduced beyond mine.

The need for a law exists when people stop self-policing. Apparently there is a problem in some Colorado colleges.

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Date: 2004-01-27 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clawfoot.livejournal.com
Nope! I'll have to look that one up...

Re: Going out on a limb

Date: 2004-01-27 12:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dwivian
Read the notes about the law, though.... ideas that allow for reasoning and argument are probably germane to the material covered. That's not being prohibited, at all. It's profs that teach chemistry talking about womens abortive rights that get a little weird....

Re: Going out on a limb

Date: 2004-01-27 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gythiawulfie.livejournal.com
You are probably right there. However, the college I last attended was very multicultural, and if you were white... you were always wrong. If you were in liberal arts, you were always wrong. And if you spoke english, gods forbid you asked someone to repeat themselves because you could not understand their accent, and that was at a STATE university... in a predominately WHITE culture. Last I saw 68% was white and the rest was a conglomeration of everyone else.

I had started taking a Women's Study course and I left because the did nothing but bash white males. Needless to say, I dropped the course.

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