Oy. And here I live across the Susquehanna (and north a bit) from "Scopes 2" playing now in Dover PA.
Would someone PLEASE tell me how "intelligent design" is science? What else but "God" could be the "intelligence" intended? Bob? And what is so intelligent about menstruation, cancer or penguins balancing eggs on their feet? I ask you!
Yeah, I'm a bit more worried about that one... and I'm always reminded - everytime I burst out about how I feel about such things - that my wife thinks evolution is "just a theory" because she wasn't taught much about it (she was schooled in public and private schools in the Lehigh Valley, PA area.)
Well, if the proponents of ID are prepared to concede it might have been the Vorlons or the spaghetti monster, or better still make a definitive statement that the "designer" is in no way to be construed as referring to any deity or god as currently accepted by major world religions...
Heh. I've often said that if formal organized prayer is reinstated in schools, they'd better be prepared to have Wicca represented--that the US Armed Services recognizes Wicca as a religion was the basis for demanding the removal of Halloween festivities in many schools.
Guess they missed the memo (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17162341-13762,00.html) - "The fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim..."
Well it could be worse: We could have a national program teaching that abstinence is the only form of safe sex and kids should wait until they're married to have sex. Wait we have that. Doh!
I want universities and colleges, from Ivy League to the local community colleges, to send a clear message that they will *not* accept students from schools that teach ID.
That would be discrimination, and I'd hate to see MY Ivy League splattered in that kind of mud. Plus, that would just be taking it out on the students, when it's really the people in charge that need to have their minds changed. I wish I had an answer to this problem. I really do.
"discrimination" occurs all the time in admission to higher education (see the michigan case on affirmative action), demanding your student understand elementary principles of biology is not discrimination
I do agree that it's unfair to the students, but on the other hand, colleges have long discriminated based on the school kids go to (a 3.75 from the Bronx High School of Science will get you into a lot more schools than a 3.75 GPA from PS132, all things being the same otherwise). And requiring a basic level of education for accepted students is something that's long been a given within higher education.
I do too. I just think there should be consequences for the people pushing ID, and I honestly don't know what else might work.
I really would not want a doctor that didn't believe in a basic principle of biology.
I feel for the students, because it isn't their fault that they are being used as ping-pong balls. I don't know how to change people's minds on something like this, but if there were real solid consequences, it might have an effect on their actions.
I second what bethynyc said. At the very least they should make the kids take remedial science once they get to college. It's not quite as harsh a message, but it's still one that hits the pocketbook, and that gets people's attention.
I feel sorry for the kids there. I really do. Some of them are going to head out to more coastal states later on in life, and they're not going to know what hit them.
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Date: 2005-11-09 12:52 am (UTC)You know if this is Someone's idea of an "intellegent design", Someone needs to go back to school.
Seriously.
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Date: 2005-11-09 12:57 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-11-09 01:10 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-11-09 01:10 am (UTC)Would someone PLEASE tell me how "intelligent design" is science? What else but "God" could be the "intelligence" intended? Bob? And what is so intelligent about menstruation, cancer or penguins balancing eggs on their feet? I ask you!
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Date: 2005-11-09 01:06 pm (UTC)I think I'll redefine the term 'brain dead' so that it now fits those who voted this in. Let the organ harvests commence!
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Date: 2005-11-10 04:54 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-11-09 07:14 pm (UTC)However, as I've said elsewhere, we're not in Kansas any more!
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Date: 2005-11-09 10:33 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-11-09 07:17 pm (UTC)AAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!
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Date: 2005-11-09 01:16 am (UTC)Darwin believed in God for chrissakes!!!
oh for pete's sake
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Date: 2005-11-09 01:40 am (UTC)That might actually have an effect, I hope.
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Date: 2005-11-09 03:25 am (UTC)Plus, that would just be taking it out on the students, when it's really the people in charge that need to have their minds changed. I wish I had an answer to this problem. I really do.
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Date: 2005-11-09 04:09 am (UTC)http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167235,00.html
"discrimination" occurs all the time in admission to higher education (see the michigan case on affirmative action), demanding your student understand elementary principles of biology is not discrimination
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Date: 2005-11-09 01:52 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-11-09 01:54 pm (UTC)I really would not want a doctor that didn't believe in a basic principle of biology.
I feel for the students, because it isn't their fault that they are being used as ping-pong balls. I don't know how to change people's minds on something like this, but if there were real solid consequences, it might have an effect on their actions.
*sigh*
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Date: 2005-11-09 04:09 am (UTC)--Mark Mothersbaugh
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